独家问答:Patterson-UTI、NexTier 首席执行官谈论合并、页岩气主导地位

Patterson-UTI 总裁兼首席执行官安迪·亨德里克斯 (Andy Hendricks) 和 NexTier 油田解决方案首席执行官罗伯特·德拉蒙德 (Robert Drummond) 在 Hart Energy 独家采访中讨论了两家公司计划进行 54 亿美元的合并。

 6 月 15 日,Patterson-UTI Energy 和 NexTier Oilfield Solutions 同意合并,这将创建美国能源领域最大的页岩钻探和完井公司。

该交易是一项几乎平等的全股票合并,将产生一个新的 Patterson-UTI,总价值达 54 亿美元,并在美国 48 州最活跃的页岩盆地开展业务。Patterson-UTI 股东将拥有扩大后公司 55% 的股份。

合并后的公司将拥有由 172 台超规格钻机、45 台活跃压裂机队(33 台 NexTier、12 台 Patterson-UTI)和定向钻井服务组成的船队。

Patterson-UTI 总裁兼首席执行官安迪·亨德里克斯 (Andy Hendricks) 将继续担任首席执行官,NexTier 首席执行官罗伯特·德拉蒙德 (Robert Drummond) 将担任副主席,他们与 Hart Energy 进行了独家讨论,深入探讨了交易谈判是如何开始的、合并背后的理由以及未来的步骤整合公司。

Hart Energy:您能否给我们介绍一下寻找合并或战略替代方案的背景以及这次合并背后的一些驱动因素?

Robert Drummond:当我们合并 [Keane Group] 和 [C&J Energy Services] 时,我们有一个独特的机会为公司命名。我们进入了一个非常详细的过程,非常困难,最后意识到一个伟大的名字将是 NexTier,因为我们将不断寻求将公司提升到下一个层次。

所以我们的员工已经习惯了我们做并购。我们与顾问的合作已经很长时间了。凭借非常健康的资产负债表,我们始终能够成为许多不同交易的潜在第二方。

在过去的几年里,我们一直将帕特森视为一家具有相似文化的公司,在如何投资资本和如何部署技术方面有着相似的思维方式,并且专注于执行。

[安迪·亨德里克斯]和我松散地讨论了一年多,但从未真正完全投入。我们觉得,在经历了多次并购之后,你可以做一笔小交易并把它固定下来,或者你可以做一些像这样的变革性的事情。

能够选择一个非常适合且具有强大领导力的合作伙伴,我们感到很放心,我们在一起会比单独行动时更强大。所以这对我来说确实是一个非常简单的决定。

我们的董事会很快就说了同样的话,我们的顾问能够将其整合在一起并向我们表明这对我们的股东来说是一笔非常好的交易。我真的很高兴我们能够把它结合在一起。

安迪·亨德里克斯:就像罗伯特说的,我们断断续续地聊了一段时间——不是认真的,而是讨论“潜力”是什么?能行吗?能装吗?”

对我们来说,现在还不是时候。我们正在快速增加活动。我们自己的团队在压力泵方面进行了重组,以改进他们正在做的事情。作为一家公司,我们必须拥有正确的时机,这实际上与市场时机无关。

有些人认为,“嗯,市场有点疲软,所以两家公司正在联合起来。”如果市场正在上涨,我们现在就会这样做。更重要的是我们处于旅程中的哪个位置,他们处于旅程的哪个位置,以及何时是两家公司合并的合适时机。

和 NexTier 油田解决方案首席执行官 Robert Drummond
Patterson-UTI 总裁兼首席执行官 Andy Hendricks(来源:Hart Energy

HE:我很好奇你能否详细说明一下提出 55/45 的分割方案是多么具有挑战性?

AH: 55/45 实际上是基于公司的市值,所以这是一种简单的数学计算。这实际上更多的是一种讨论,好吧,治理是什么样的?未来的管理会是什么样子?并试图在平等合并的体系中找到一些平衡。这就是我们进行了很多讨论的地方。

那么,这真的会给股东带来好处吗?最终,我们决定是这样。我的意思是,你看看这两家公司的合并——凭借协同效应和所有的自由现金流——我们将如何成为所有油田服务中自由现金流收益率最高的公司之一。

RD:我们的很多投资者一直告诉我们,我们的市值几乎有点太小,无法获得他们想要对公司进行的投资规模。这是最大的纯页岩油开采公司。

如果你打算投资页岩油,那么这家企业价值总计 55 亿美元的公司的规模是其他任何公司的两倍,让投资者有机会在[公司]中占据重要地位。这也是我们董事会的驱动力。

HE:从这个角度来说,最重要的是什么?是在扩大整​​体规模,还是在平衡钻井和完井的优势?

AH:钻井,有一些事情。我们拥有强大的特许经营权,拥有 45 年的钻探特许经营权。NexTier 在压力泵方面建立了非常好的特许经营权。我们的环球名称可以追溯到 1980 年。因此,将我们的成就和他们的成就结合在一起将成为一股强大的力量。

我们必须以不同的方式管理我们的业务,因为我们有多个细分市场。他们真正专注于完井。他们建造了电线、电力系统、物流来支持这一切。

您采用我们的 12 个活跃价差,然后将它们在完井方面所做的所有工作分层,这只会增强我们的 12 个活跃价差的作用。

RD: Patterson-UTI 构建了一个强大的数字操作系统,与我们的 NexHub [数字中心] 不同。我们的 NexHub 一直专注于竣工以及竣工相关的所有物流。当然,安迪主要专注于钻井方面。

我认为有很多协同效应我们还没有意识到真正的潜力。所以我想说,技术在这里发挥了重要作用,并且随着时间的推移将会实现。

HE:您是否期待更多的服务整合?您认为可能会出现一波浪潮吗?如果是这样,PTEN 会继续充当整合者吗?

AH:嗯,我不确定我们是否看到波浪。我的意思是,罗伯特和我已经断断续续地聊了一年多了。所以这并不像我们醒来后说“让我们”把这些公司放在一起。

很多事情就是这样发生的。当我们完成交易并收购七十七能源公司(2017 年)时,也已经过去了几年。所以这些事情不会马上发生,我认为也不一定会引发一波浪潮。

如果你看看其他一些公司,我认为他们在试图弄清楚要与谁合作时将面临更多挑战。

我真的很兴奋罗伯特和我能够以我们的方式实现这一目标,并且我们可以选择合作伙伴。我们没有被迫去做某事。而其他人,如果他们想做某事,那可能不是他们选择的合作伙伴。所以我预计不会出现浪潮。至于我们是否会进行更多的并购,我们两家公司都有并购的历史,所以很难说我们永远不会再这样做,但我们会在继续关注此事的过程中随时向您通报情况。但现在我们只关注这一点。

HE:您预计整个整合过程将如何进行?

RD:我认为我们双方都有很好的剧本,并且在交付方面有着良好的记录。抓住与之相关的一些协同效应,同时在文化上将两家公司结合在一起,以便您能够融合两家公司最优秀的人才。我认为,当谈到业务的完成方面时,安迪描述得非常好。NexTier 的井场整合策略一直是我们绩效的核心,并且很容易围绕其他压裂车队进行扩展。

这就是我们几年前收购阿拉莫时所做的。之前的 C&J-Keane 合并也是如此。

我还要指出,从我的角度来看,让我们走到一起的原因之一是我们都一直在转向天然气作为能源。燃料成本更经济,环境足迹更小。这对于经营压裂业务的人来说非常有吸引力,因为到年底,Universal 船队的 75% 左右将采用天然气作为燃料,而我们的船队也差不多。

独家问答:Patterson-UTI、NexTier 首席执行官谈论合并、页岩气主导地位
来源:帕特森-UTI

HE:你先问了我的下一个问题:我想问减排在这方面有多重要?

RD:我很欣赏这个问题,因为它们很重要,尤其是当做正确的事情并且围绕它的经济学创造价值时。拥有水力压裂船队,每年的燃料消耗高达 5000 万美元。

如果您选择天然气,您可以获得高达 10 [百万] 美元的套利,每个车队每年甚至可能节省 1,500 万美元。因此,我们一直在对这种价值进行再投资,以继续将柴油动力泵转换为双燃料泵,使我们能够做到这一点。那么排放量就会随之而来。

所以这确实是双赢:客户赢,我们赢,环境赢。

AH: Patterson-UTI 多年来在多个服务领域一直处于领先地位,特别是在我们拥有 100% 天然气发动机的钻井领域。我们做高线路功率,我们有 EcoCell 锂电池混合解决方案。

我们对将 NexTier 与我们的完工项目结合在一起感到非常兴奋,因为我们一直在运行大量的双燃料,他们也一直在运行大量的双燃料。他们正在研究电动压裂。我们一直在研究涡轮直接驱动。因此,我们都在致力于技术开发,将所有这些努力结合在一起,将会在我们所有的平台上发挥巨大作用。我们拥有丰富的专业知识。

HE:显然设备可以移动并且确实可以移动,但是地理因素对这次合并有很大影响吗?我知道也有拉丁美洲的成分。

AH:对于我们来说,拉丁美洲正在钻探。我们在哥伦比亚拥有钻井平台,最终可能在厄瓜多尔拥有钻井平台。我不会说我们现在会急于停止拉丁美洲的抽水。

当你看看我们在美国的地理重叠时,就会发现有一些真正的机会来整合一些设施或重新组织我们在不同盆地的工作方式。也许我们将泵集中在一个设施中,将搅拌机集中在另一个设施中,将电子设备集中在另一个设施中,诸如此类的事情是为了提高我们做事的效率——特别是在二叠纪,那里我们的规模都将如此之大。

但我们也仍然很忙。钻机市场略有疲软,但你看看我们的钻机数量。我们从 132 下降到 125。这对我们来说实际上并不是一个很大的下降。我们所有的钻机都在泵送。即使日历上抽水一侧有一点空白,我们仍然很忙。

RD:这是一个很好的观点。所有压裂船队均在两家公司之间全面部署。

HE:与您刚开始谈论这项交易时相比,现在有哪些考虑因素使得这笔交易变得有意义?市场或整个行业发生了什么变化?

AH:就像我说的,这不是市场驱动的,而是我们作为公司在旅程中所处的位置。我认为其中一件事是我们都开始寻找新技术。这是一个很好的机会,可以确保我们不会相互重叠,也不会花费超出我们需要的支出,相反,我们可以共同努力。

RD:我们相信,随着时间的推移,将会有一条途径帮助我们的客户将二级井变成一级井。随着时间的推移,技术继续做到这一点。帕特森在 U 形井上进行的一些钻探工作,能够直接沿着边界线或租赁线进行,以便更多地排出水库。

随着时间的推移,这就是大数据和数据分析将发挥作用的方式。我们两个人在一起,从技术上来说,它会非常强大。我们将成为帮助勘探与生产公司实现他们想要的目标的核心。

AH:您听说许多勘探与生产公司表示,我们希望在钻探油井时获得更高的产能——更高的可采百分比。将我们的努力与我们在工程方面所做的工作结合起来,不仅是设备,而且是我们在地下观察的工程,这有助于使我们处于领先地位,能够帮助勘探与生产提高采收率。

独家问答:Patterson-UTI、NexTier 首席执行官谈论合并、页岩气主导地位
来源:Patterson-UTI、NexTier

HE:勘探与生产领域的整合如何影响您对合并后公司的前景?

RD:有很多不同类型的球员。有大市值的公司,甚至还有[国际石油公司],还有较小的独立公司。有些公司正在证明自己的策略能够卖给更大的公司。但这一切都是针对最终用户的整合,最终用户将成为必须将分子从地下取出的人。

随着事情向更大的方向发展,知道自己将成为完全开发油藏的人越来越成为一种技术游戏,利用技术来确保从井中获得最大的采收率和最大的回报。

出于我们之前提到的原因,这发挥了 NexTier 和 Patterson 等公司的优势。我们的产品组合中有各种不同类型的客户,但其中很大一部分是最终要进行开发的客户。

AH:当你看看我们今年看到的一些公告时,你会发现其中很多都是规模很小、由私募股权支持的勘探与生产公司,它们只是钻了几口井并试图证明自己的面积。然后,这块土地就会落入一个想要进行全面开发的更大玩家的手中,这就是我们所做的。

我们并没有使用 SCR(硅控整流器)钻机或机械钻机,只是进行一些水平作业来证明面积。我们为从事开发工作的人员操作高规格、超规格钻机和高性能压裂设备。

我认为这确实发挥了我们的优势,因为正如罗伯特所说,这些土地属于那些真正进行开发的实体。如果你关注勘探与生产,总会有一些财产的副产品。总有一些事情会重新开始,而且这种情况一直在发生。

HE:你们几乎每天都在钻井和完井,并且对地面发生的情况有非常深入的了解。您对二叠纪的寿命有何看法?我们预计什么时候可以看到稳定期?

RD:我对此有强烈的看法。事实上,如此强大以至于我让我的两个女儿进入了这个行业,她们在这个领域作为专业人士工作。

我想这将是一生。一级的消耗量比他们想象的要多一点,也许比他们想象的要快一点。它总是从第二层转移到第一层,从第三层转移到第二层。如果你放弃对技术和能力的押注,那么到目前为止你每次都错了。

所以就我个人而言,作为一名石油工程师——在这件事上工作了近40年,我完全相信我们从现在开始就会这样做。

AH:当你观察二叠纪时,你会发现二叠纪在地质上是不断给予的礼物。技术将继续增强我们在二叠纪的工作。当你审视全球投资地点的风险状况时,二叠纪盆地仍然是放眼全球的勘探与生产的最佳风险状况之一。

二叠纪盆地有很多积极的一面,技术将继续影响我们从那里进行生产的方式。

是的,IEA(国际能源署)预测,到本世纪末,石油产量将达到峰值,但此后它不会下降。如果你真的看一下 IEA 的图表,就会发现它会达到峰值,然后需求将持平,直到 2050 年。这是一个很长的时间。所以世界仍然需要石油和天然气。

对于美国来说,二叠纪是一个巨大的地质结构,仍然含有大量石油,我们仍在学习如何将其开采出来。当我开始这个行业时,二叠纪的一口井每天生产 2.5 桶,看看我们今天的情况。技术将继续推动这一趋势。

原文链接/hartenergy

Exclusive Q&A: Patterson-UTI, NexTier CEOs Talk Merger, Shale Dominance

Patterson-UTI President and CEO Andy Hendricks and NexTier Oilfield Solutions CEO Robert Drummond discussed the companies’ planned $5.4 billion merger in a Hart Energy exclusive interview.

 On June 15, Patterson-UTI Energy and NexTier Oilfield Solutions agreed to a combination that will create the largest U.S. shale drilling and completions pure-play company in the energy sector.

The deal, an all-stock merger of near-equals, will result in a new Patterson-UTI with a combined value of $5.4 billion and operations in the Lower 48’s most active shale basins. Patterson-UTI shareholders will own a 55% stake in the expanded company.

The combined company will have a fleet of 172 super-spec drilling rigs, 45 active frac fleets (33 NexTier, 12 Patterson-UTI) and directional drilling services.

Patterson-UTI President and CEO Andy Hendricks, who will remain CEO, and NexTier CEO Robert Drummond, who will become vice chair, joined Hart Energy for an exclusive discussion delving into how deal talks started, their rationale behind the merger and the steps ahead to integrate the company.

Hart Energy: Could you give us some background on looking for a combination or strategic alternative and some of the driving factors behind this merger?

Robert Drummond: We had a unique opportunity to name the company when we merged [Keane Group] and [C&J Energy Services]. We went into a pretty detailed process, very difficult, and finally realized a great name would be NexTier—because we’re going to be constantly looking to take the company to the next tier.

So our employees have been accustomed to us doing M&A. We’ve been engaged with advisers for a long time. And with a very healthy balance sheet, we were always able to be a potential second party for a lot of different transactions.

Over the last couple of years, we’ve always looked at Patterson as being a company with a similar culture, a similar mindset about how to invest capital and how to deploy technology, and focused on execution.

[Andy Hendricks] and I talked about it loosely for over a year but never really engaged completely. We felt like, having been in M&A a lot, you can do a small deal and bolt it on, or you can do something that’s transformational like this one.

Being able to choose a partner that was such a good fit with strong leadership, we felt comfortable that we would be a lot stronger together than we would be separately. So really it was a pretty easy decision for me.

Our board was quick to say the same thing, our advisors were able to put it together and show us that it was a very good deal for our shareholders. I’m just really happy that we were able to bring it together.

Andy Hendricks: Like Robert said, we talked off and on for a while—not seriously, but to discuss, ‘What’s the potential? Could it work? Could it fit?’

For us, it wasn’t quite the right time. We were in the process of ramping up activity real quick. Our own team was kind of reorganizing on the pressure pumping side to improve what they were doing. We had to have the right time for us as a company, and it really had nothing to do with the market timing.

Some people are seeing this as, ‘Oh, well the market’s kind of soft so two companies are getting together.” We’d be doing this right now if the market was ramping up. It was really more about where we were in our journey, where they were in their journey, and when was the right time to put the two companies together.

and NexTier Oilfield Solutions CEO Robert Drummond
Patterson-UTI President and CEO Andy Hendricks (Source: Hart Energy)

HE: I was curious if you can elaborate much on just how challenging it was to come up with the 55/45 split?

AH: The 55/45 was really based on the companies’ market caps, and so that was kind of straightforward math there. It was really more of a discussion, okay, what is the governance look like? What is management going to look like going forward? And trying to find some balance in the system on a merger of equals. That’s where we had a lot of discussions.

Then, is this really going to be beneficial for shareholders? At the end of the day, we decided it is. I mean you look at how the combination of the two companies — with the synergies and all the free cash flow — we're going to be one of the highest free cash flow yielding companies in all of oilfield services.

RD: A lot of our investors had been telling us that our market cap was almost a little bit too small to be able to get the size investment they wanted to put in the company. This is the biggest pure-play shale play company.

If you’re going to make an investment in shale, the combined $5.5 billion enterprise value company is twice as big as anything else out there that gives investors the opportunity to take a large position in [the company]. That was also a driver for our board.

HE: In that vein, what’s most important? Is it building that overall scale or is it also balancing out the drilling and completion strengths?

AH: Drilling, there’s a few things. We have a strong franchise, 45-year-old franchise in drilling. NexTier’s built a really good franchise in pressure pumping. Our Universal name dates back to 1980. So putting our completions and their completions together is going to be a powerful force.

We’ve had to manage ours a little different because we have multiple segments. Where they were really focused on well completions. They built out wire line, they built out power systems, they built out logistics to support all this.

You take our 12 active spreads and then you layer in everything that they’ve done on the well completion side, and that only enhances what our 12 active spreads do.

RD: Patterson-UTI had built a strong digital operating system, not unlike our NexHub [Digital Center]. Our NexHub has been focused on completions and all the logistics around completions. And of course Andy's is focused on mostly on the drilling side.

And I think there's a lot of synergies that we're yet to realize there what the potential really can be. So I'd say technology has got a big play here that will materialize over time.

HE: Are you expecting more services consolidation? Do you see a wave potentially happening? If so, would PTEN look to continue to be a consolidator?

AH: Well, I'm not sure if we see a wave. I mean, Robert and I have been talking off and on for over a year. So this is not like we woke up and said ‘let’s put the companies together. ‘

That’s how a lot of these things happen. When we did the deal and acquired Seventy Seven Energy [in 2017], that was over a few years as well. So these things don't happen right away, and I don't think it necessarily triggers a wave.

If you look at some of the other companies that are out there, I think they're going to have more challenges trying to figure out who they're going to partner with.

I'm really excited that Robert and I were able to land this the way we did and we could pick who we partner with. We didn't get forced into something. And the others, if they want to do something, it may not be their partner of choice. So I don't anticipate a wave. As to whether we do any more M&A, both of our companies have a history of M&A, so it's hard to say we're never going to do anymore, but we'll keep you posted as we continue to look at things. But right now we've just been focused on this one.

HE: How do you expect the whole integration process to go?

RD: I think that process is something that we both have good playbooks on and a very good track record of being able to deliver. Capturing some of the synergies associated with it, but also culturally bringing the two companies together so that you have the blend of the best of the talent for both. I think that when it comes to the completion side of the business, Andy described it very well. The well site integration strategy that NexTier had has been core to our performance and it's very easy to scale that around additional frack fleets.

That was what we did with the Alamo acquisition we got a couple years ago. And the same thing with the C&J-Keane merger before that.

I would also point out that one of the things that brought us together, from my perspective, was that we both had been moving towards natural gas a power source. A better economics around the fuel costs, as well as a smaller environmental footprint. And that was very attractive from a person running a frac business because the Universal fleet will be about 75% natural gas fueled at the end of the year, and ours is about the same.

Exclusive Q&A: Patterson-UTI, NexTier CEOs Talk Merger, Shale Dominance
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HE: You beat me to my next question: I was going to ask how important emissions reductions were in this?

RD: I appreciate that question because they are important, especially when it's the right thing to do, and that the economics around it create value. With a frack fleet, you burn… as much as $50 million a year in fuel.

If you go to natural gas, you can capture an arbitrage of up to $10 [million], maybe even $15 million dollars annually per fleet in savings. So we've been reinvesting that kind of value to continue to convert diesel-powered pumps to dual-fuel pumps that allow us to do that. Then emissions just come right along with it.

So it’s a win-win, really: Customers win, we win and environment wins.

AH: Patterson-UTI for years has had a leadership position across multiple service lines, especially in drilling where we have 100% natural gas engines. We do high line power, we have the EcoCell lithium battery hybrid solution.

We’re real excited about bringing NexTier together with our completions because we've been running a lot of dual fuel and they've been running a lot of dual fuel. They’re looking at electric frac. We’ve been looking at turbine direct drive. So we’ve all been working on technologies and putting all those efforts together is going to be big across all our platforms. We have a lot of expertise.

HE: Obviously equipment can move and does, but does geography factor into this merger much at all? I know there’s a Latin American component as well.

AH: Latin America, for us, is drilling. We have the rigs in Colombia, we may end up with a rig in Ecuador. I won't say that we're going to rush to put pumping down in Latin America right now.

When you look at the geographical overlap in the U.S. that we have, there's some real opportunities to consolidate some facilities or reorganize how we do things in different basins. Maybe we concentrate pumps in one facility, blenders in another, electronics in another, things like that to be more efficient on how we do things—especially in the Permian where we’re all going to be so large.

But we’re all still busy, too. There's been a little bit of a softening in the rig market, but you look at our rig count. We're down from 132 … to 125. That's not actually a big drop for us. And pumping follows all our rigs. Even if there's a little bit of white space in the calendar on the pumping side, we're all still busy.

RD: That’s a good point. All the frac fleets are fully deployed between both companies.

HE: What were some of the considerations that made this deal make sense now versus when you first started talking about it? What has changed in the market, or more broadly for the sector?

AH: Like I said, this is not market driven but more of a where we are as companies on our journeys. I think one of the things is we both started looking at new technology. There's a big opportunity to make sure that we're not overlapping each other and spending more than we need to spend, and instead we can pull those efforts together.

RD: We believe there’s going to be a path to helping our customers make tier-two wells into tier-one wells over time. Technology has continued to do that over time. Some of the drilling things that Patterson’s doing with U-shaped wells and being able to get right up against the boundary lines or lease line to get more of a drainage of the reservoir.

This is how big data and data analytics are going to come into play over time. The two of us together, technically, it's going to be really strong. We’re going to be in the core of helping the E&Ps get to where they want to go.

AH: You’ve heard a number of E&Ps say we want to get more productivity out of wells when we drill them—a higher percentage of recoverable. Combining our efforts and what we do on engineering, not just equipment but engineering, that we look at on the subsurface, it helps put us in a leadership position to be able to help E&Ps improve their recovery.

Exclusive Q&A: Patterson-UTI, NexTier CEOs Talk Merger, Shale Dominance
(Source: Patterson-UTI, NexTier)

HE: How does consolidation in the E&P space impact your outlook for the combined company?

RD: There’s a lot of different kind of players. There's big market cap guys, there's [international oil companies] even, and there's smaller independents. Some are proving up plays to be able to sell to the bigger guys. But it’s all kind of consolidating toward the end user who is going to be the one that has to go get the molecules out of the ground.

As things are consolidated towards the bigger — the guy who knows he's going to be the one developing the reservoir fully becomes more and more a technology play … using the technology to make sure you get maximum recovery from the well and the maximum return.

This plays to the strength of companies like NexTier and Patterson for the reasons we were referring to earlier. We have all different kinds of customers in our portfolio, but the big parts of it are for customers who are going to be doing the development, ultimately.

AH: When you look at some of the announcements that we’ve seen this year, a lot of them are pretty small, private equity-backed E&Ps that just drill a few wells and try to prove up their acreage. Then, that acreage gets in the hands of a larger player that wants to do a full on development, and that’s what we do.

We're not out there with SCR [silicon-controlled rectifier] rigs or mechanical rigs just doing some horizontals to prove up acreage. We're operating high spec, super spec rigs and high performing frac equipment for people doing development work.

It really plays into our strengths I think, because that acreage lands with those entities that really are doing the development, as Robert said. And if you’re following E&P, there’s always some spinoffs of property. There’s always a restart with some of these to do it again, and it just keeps happening.

HE: You all drill and complete wells almost every day and have really good insights into what’s happening on the ground. What is your outlook for the longevity of the Permian, and when is this expected plateau that we could see?

RD: I’ve got a strong opinion about this one. In fact, so strong that I got both of my daughters into the industry who are working in this arena as professionals.

I think it’s going to be for a lifetime. Tier-one’s being consumed a bit more, maybe a bit faster than they thought. It’s always tier-two moving to tier-one, and tier-three moving to tier-two. If you quit betting on technology and the capabilities, you’d be wrong every single time up until now.

So personally, as a petroleum engineer … in this thing nearly 40 years, I completely believe that we will be doing this from now on.

AH: When you look at the Permian, the Permian geologically is the gift that keeps on giving. Technology is going to continue to enhance what we do in the Permian. And when you look at the risk profiles of places to invest around the world, the Permian is still one of the best risk profiles for an E&P that looks around the world.

There’s just so many positives about the Permian, and technology will continue to influence how we get production out of there.

Yes, the IEA [International Energy Agency] is forecasting by the end of the decade that we’re going to reach a peak in oil, but it doesn't come off after that. If you actually look at the IEA’s chart, it gets to a peak and then it's flat on demand until 2050. Well that's a long time. So the world still needs oil and gas.

For the United States, the Permian is a huge geological structure that still contains a lot of oil and we're still learning how to get it out. When I started the industry, a well in the Permian produced 2.5 bbl/d, and look where we are today. Technology will keep moving that needle.