哈罗德·哈姆这么多年依然在野猫捕猎

大陆资源公司的创始人兼董事长回顾了巴肯 25 年的水平开发历程,他敦促美国同行“永不停止探索”。

“你永远不会停止寻找。你永远不会停止探索。人们需要把注意力重新转向威利斯顿的勘探。”——大陆资源公司创始人兼董事长加罗德·哈姆。(来源:劳伦斯·詹金斯/哈特能源)

如果你认为哈罗德·哈姆在四十多年的探索生涯后已经厌倦了,那你就错了。

Hamm 的大陆资源公司最近与合作伙伴TransAtlantic Petroleum签署了一项协议,将在土耳其迪亚巴克尔盆地开采致密岩油气资源

如今,大陆资源公司已发展成为一家市值300亿美元、业务横跨多个流域、并已实现国际化的石油公司。这与该公司最初的卑微形象大相径庭:当时只有哈姆公司和一辆在俄克拉荷马州油田工作的钻井服务卡车。

1967年,他创立了雪莉·迪恩石油公司(Shelly Dean Oil Co.),以他两个大女儿的名字命名。该公司后来发展成为大陆石油公司(Continental),如今是美国最大的私营石油生产商之一。

对于哈特能源 2025 年终身成就奖获得者哈姆来说,他的成功和财富很大程度上归功于他在北达科他州巴肯页岩开发中的开创性工作。

正如他向《石油和天然气投资者》所描述的那样,水平钻井和水力压裂的结合开启了 21 世纪初至中期从蒙大拿州东部开始的中巴肯台地的商业开发。

中巴肯页岩深度约10,000英尺,是威利斯顿盆地最受关注的页岩层。中巴肯页岩的第一口水平井——燃烧树州立36-2H井,于2000年5月26日在蒙大拿州投产,其1,700英尺水平段的储量为196桶。

水平钻井和水力压裂技术为威利斯顿盆地注入了新的活力。根据北达科他州和蒙大拿州的产量数据,巴肯页岩油气储量超过60亿桶,其中大部分产油量自2000年以来一直保持稳定。

然而,就在页岩油行业寻求生产模式的可重复性的同时,哈姆和大陆石油公司却不断探索。如今,大陆石油公司除了巴肯盆地外,还在阿纳达科盆地、二叠纪盆地和粉河盆地拥有资产。

该公司在二叠纪盆地的勘探能力得到了充分展示,大陆石油公司在测试该盆地较深的伍德福德区和巴奈特区方面处于领先地位。

哈姆认为,目前大多数美国上市公司和华尔街分析师都不愿进行勘探。但随着美国陆上油田的成熟、稳定并最终衰退,生产商将需要另寻他处。

“你永远不会停止寻找。你永远不会停止探索,”哈姆说道。

近年来,哈姆在美国政坛展现了自己的影响力。他在2024年总统大选期间担任顾问,为特朗普总统的竞选活动争取石油和天然气行业的支持并筹集资金。

哈特能源公司率先报道了哈姆对新政府能源相关关键内阁职位的首选:自由能源公司首席执行官克里斯·赖特将出任能源部长,北达科他州州长道格·伯格姆将出任内政部长。赖特和伯格姆的任命后来均已获得美国参议院的批准。


克里斯·马修斯:您是唐纳德·特朗普竞选活动的主要捐款人和支持者。到目前为止,您对这届政府有何看法?

哈罗德·哈姆:特朗普上任一百多天里完成的政绩,可能比我所知的任何一位总统都要多。他确实做出了很多改变,让形势好转。前拜登政府把我们推向了悬崖。

但我认为他已经转变了策略,开始着手处理一些他认为在世界各地不公平的局面,主要是关税问题。所以,这给经济带来了冲击,并抵消了大部分“特朗普冲击”——大多数人称之为政府的新经济政策。

在某些情况下,关税一直在缓和,我不确定是否会有一些豁免。我希望能源领域就是其中之一。有些情况非常非常复杂,可能会被排除在外。

但特朗普的大部分政策都受到了公众的欢迎。每个人都知道,有些问题需要纠正,比如政府超支。说是一回事,做是另一回事。这就是政府效率部(DOGE)目前的情况。这取决于你在整个计划中所处的位置——如果你是像美国国际开发署那样被裁员的员工之一,你可能对埃隆·马斯克以及正在发生的事情不太满意。

但当然,我想每个美国人都知道我们需要纠正这一点。联邦政府效率低下的问题非常严重。所以,我们正在解决这个问题。

让所有他挑选的人都通过内阁程序花了一段时间。但最终,我们得到了一些非常优秀的人才。例如,我称之为能源梦之队,内政部的道格·伯格姆和能源部的克里斯·赖特。还有国家能源主导委员会(NEDC)的新组织架构,它将各个部门的能源事务整合到一起。道格·伯格姆将担任NEDC主席,这是一件了不起的事情。

我认为这位总统已经取得了许多伟大的成就,但还有很多事情要做。

墨虎恺:新英格兰天然气公司可能会开展哪些活动或项目?伯格姆最近谈到了修建一条从马塞勒斯到新英格兰的天然气管道。

HH:他们考虑了好几件事。你提到了宪法输油管道。大家都熟悉这条管道的历史,以及它在许可方面经历了什么。

当然,这个国家的管道建设需要联邦政府的许可。[NEDC] 可以考虑这个,我期待它能有所进展。

我们现在看到很多不同部门都在发生一些重大变化。例如,美国证券交易委员会(SEC)取消了其政策中规定的一些排放报告内容。这曾经给行业带来了巨大的负担,但现在已经取消了。正是[环保署署长]李·泽尔丁和[环保署]在那里采取了主动行动。

最重要的事情是两届政府之间思维模式的彻底转变。上一届政府想要彻底停止使用化石燃料。而这届政府却说:“不,你不能这么做。世界承受不起,这不现实,也不符合常识。”

我们必须继续努力改善环境和气候,但前进的道路上,我们需要以理性的方式去做。随着人工智能(AI)的兴起,以及推动其发展所需的资源和实现这一目标所需的能源,我们看到了一个全新的世界,人工智能带来了巨大的需求。

石油和天然气行业非常活跃,瞬息万变。你总是走在前沿,永远不会落后。就像水平钻井技术已经证明的那样,现在我们谈论的是25年的页岩气开发。是什么推动了这一趋势?

那也是当时最前沿的技术;我们能够做一些完全不同的事情,它改变了能源世界。这是一个充满活力的行业。如果你愿意坚持下去,你不必等待太久就能看到下一个奇迹的出现。

CM:这是一个很好的过渡,让我们进入这个里程碑:巴肯页岩中部水平开发25年。您对Burning Tree井和Elm Coulee油田有什么兴趣?

HH:你真的得早点开始。T·布恩·皮肯斯曾经说过,从页岩中开采天然气是一回事,从页岩中开采石油又是另一回事——而且我们谁也活不到那一天了。

就像我说的:这个行业非常活跃,你永远不会说永远。

你需要回顾一下历史上第一个水平油田以及它是如何诞生的——雪松溪背斜油田和雪松山油田。它们始于90年代中期。

基本上,伯灵顿资源公司和大陆资源公司这两家公司开发了雪松山的整个油田。这是一个可采储量为2.5亿桶的油田,但没有人愿意接手。但那不是巴肯油田,而是红河B组。

[红河B]基本上是通过钻井开发的,不需要增产措施。它的孔隙度很高,只是渗透性不高。但一旦你把所有渗透性都用水平井眼连接起来,这些井就具有商业价值了。而钻垂直井眼则不具有商业价值。这确实是一个相当惊人的油田。

但它向我证明了浅而薄的储层——大约 14 英尺厚是整个储层的厚度——但它证明了在这些薄储层中,水平钻井是有效的。

我们命令地质团队来到这里,说:“伙计们,去找下一个。”我们知道威利斯顿盆地有很多薄层储层。下一个储层在哪里?不久之后,也就是1996年,大陆石油公司的一位地质学家绘制了榆树谷的测绘图。

他带着钻头过来说道,“如果水平钻探,巴肯地区的这个区域,也就是巴肯地区的中部,应该会有产量,但你可能需要某种刺激措施。”我们采用了高压空气注入来帮助采收。

我们把这个想法告诉了我在达拉斯的朋友鲍比·莱尔(Lyco Energy的),以及海丁顿石油公司。我们说:“我想在那里建一个野马油田。我们成立一家合资企业,一起进行水平钻探。我们会使用高压空气注气技术,看看能否实现商业化。”我们都挠头不解,面面相觑,但没能得到答案。

但他们每个人都制定了一个计划,前往埃尔姆库利,开始钻一些水平井,并用不同的方法进行测试。鲍比与哈里伯顿成立了合资公司,哈里伯顿提供服务,并提供部分资金用于租赁权互换,并帮助他。然后他开始钻探。

他们钻出了大家常说的“燃烧树”井。海丁顿就在那儿,开始观察鲍比,也做了一些同样的事情。大陆航空和哈罗德·哈姆坐在那里看着他们,说道:“你们小伙子,加油!”

他们一获得商业化生产,我们就全力投入其中,并开始与他们一起开发。我们最终获得了大约三分之一的区块,他们每个人都获得了成功。Elm Coulee 油田最终被证明是一个非常好的油田。我认为大约有5亿桶的可采面积,而且那里仍在钻井。

随后,大陆石油公司迅速介入,开始对北达科他州进行地质勘探,并于2003年左右在那里开始。剩下的就成了历史。我们在北达科他州证实了这一点。

CM:您是否曾预料到北达科他州最终会成为如此强大的州?

HH:我对此抱有希望,真的。我们抱有足够多的希望,以至于在接下来的五年里,我们租赁了大陆航空持有的多达130万英亩的土地。所以,是的,我们确实做到了。

但北达科他州的增长速度较慢。压力不同。在埃尔姆库利(Elm Coulee)——巴肯中部有一些天然孔隙——行之有效的方法,在北达科他州却行不通。

我们进行了大量实验和反复试验,最终才实现多级完井,并开始大力推进增产措施。这些措施都奏效了。我们必须开发技术,使用膨胀封隔器之类的工具。技术一直在进步。

但你说得对:最初,北达科他州的单条输油管道每天输送8万桶石油,数量并不多。当然,那里有一座炼油厂,曼丹,这很有帮助。但它的基础设施非常有限,还有很多其他需要建设的东西。

所有这些现在都已完成,我们看到产量飙升。感谢上帝,我们的产量一直占全州总产量的15%左右,现在仍然如此。

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CM:位于巴肯和更深的三福克斯台地之间的威利斯顿盆地的未来将会是什么样子?

HH:过去25年来,巴肯地区在很多方面都取代了勘探工作。巴肯地区本身就占据了我们很大的精力,但我们从未停止探寻。我在岩心库里看到的第一批岩心,在三岔河谷深处就发现了一些痕迹。

我心想,这怎么可能在下面?这油是从哪里来的?它不是生油层。当然,随着巴肯页岩逐渐成熟,它把石油输送到所有能到达的地方。比如,有些石油就泄漏到了加拿大。

但总得有人去那里钻探。于是,我们在三叉地层深处钻了一口井,结果发现它与巴肯地层有些分离。大约一年后,大家都在钻三叉地层。现在,我们看到那里有三到四个层位看起来产量很高。

所以,你永远不会停止寻找。你永远不会停止探索。人们需要把注意力重新转向威利斯顿的探索。

但这需要不同的条件,也可能需要政策的改变。北达科他州的税率非常高,高达10%。该州因电影制作而建立了庞大的主权基金。我认为这个基金高达110亿美元左右。因此,这远远超出了该州的财政资金需求。

在我看来,未来我们还会越来越好。我们很多人都钻了那些4英里深的井。效果很好,而且可能还会继续改善。我们在油田很多地区,以前是三级产量,现在却达到了一级产量。巴肯油田总是能给你带来意想不到的惊喜,所以很难否认它的存在。

我们已经看到很多整合:Chord几家公司合并而成。Conoco最近收购了Marathon的产能。随着时间的推移,我们可能会看到更多这样的整合。

CM:大陆航空对巴肯油田的更多并购有兴趣吗?你们还在考虑哪些其他项目?

HH:当然,巴肯是我们主要关注和运营的地区之一。我们有一个很棒的团队为该地区提供服务。

但这不是唯一的领域。大陆石油公司仍然秉持勘探理念。我们在阿纳达科的足迹对公司来说非常重要,意义非凡。长期以来,我们一直是俄克拉荷马州和中部大陆地区最大的运营商。我们非常看好阿纳达科盆地。

我们在地质团队的带领下,进入了二叠纪盆地,并且进展顺利。我认为我们在二叠纪盆地拥有大约23万英亩的土地,包括米德兰盆地和特拉华盆地。当然,我们曾一度从斯科特·谢菲尔德和先锋公司手中进行了一笔相当大的收购,这对公司意义重大。我们正在那里扩大生产基地。

您提到了粉河盆地。我们认为该盆地是一个叠层产油盆地,很像中大陆阿纳达科盆地。我们在几个不同的层位进行了大量钻探,拥有非常大的勘探面积。我认为我们是粉河盆地最大的油田持有者之一。

但你永远不会停止观察。你提到了“土耳其”。这套战术,我们已经观察了一段时间了。我的朋友马龙·米切尔(Malone Mitchell)已经在这个战术中工作了17年,并为此付出了巨大的努力。我们一直在关注他的表现。

我们在那里看到了我们在美国盆地中研究过的一些特征,因此,我们认为我们在这里使用的一些技术可以在那里发挥作用,只是还没有得到应用。

土耳其石油部非常了解大陆集团在美国的业务,我认为我们可以为他们提供帮助,反之亦然。因此,我们期待在土耳其的发展。

CM:您认为其他美国页岩公司未来会走向国际吗?

HH:我认为才刚刚开始。看到美国活跃盆地的油气资源逐渐成熟,我觉得这很好。你也需要看看其他地方。我认为EOG(资源公司)在巴林的勘探就是一个很好的例子。他们的勘探历史根植于基因之中。

勘探并非一门失传的艺术,但它与巴肯油田发现和许多人采用的生产模式之前的情况有所不同。在此之前,几乎每家石油公司都有勘探业务。

有一些人是炒房者,主要从事并购业务。但大多数公司都进行过大量的勘探,而其中很多都已经丧失殆尽。大陆航空就是其中之一,这一点深深地刻在我们的基因里。

CM:天然气市场目前正处于黄金时期。您对美国天然气市场有何展望?

HH:是的,我们有很多天然气资源可以利用。你必须关注市场动态。永远不要超越市场。

我们参与了好几项业务。在阿纳达科盆地,我想大家都知道我们与SK能源公司(SK Energy)成立的合资公司,长期以来一直致力于将天然气输送到韩国。这涉及到业务的各个方面,从钻头到液化天然气,再到最终客户。

我们仍在继续观察。我们还没有像一些大型纯天然气公司那样涉足海恩斯维尔市场。如果非要说个理由,那就是到目前为止,我们只是看到了原油的内在价值。

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Harold Hamm is Still Wildcatting After All These Years

As the founder and chairman of Continental Resources reflects on 25 years of Bakken horizontal development, he urges his fellow U.S. producers to “never quit exploring.”

“You never quit looking. You never quit exploring. People need to turn their attention back to exploration up there again in the Williston.” —Harold Hamm, founder and chairman, Continental Resources. (Source: Lawrence Jenkins/Hart Energy)

If you thought Harold Hamm was tired of exploration after more than four decades, you’d be wrong.

Hamm’s Continental Resources recently signed a deal to wildcat tight-rock oil and gas resources in Turkey’s Diyarbakir Basin alongside partner TransAtlantic Petroleum.

Continental Resources is a $30 billion, multibasin—and now international—oil company today. It’s a far cry from the company’s humble beginnings: Hamm and a single well-service truck working in the oil fields of Oklahoma.

In 1967, he founded Shelly Dean Oil Co., named after his two oldest daughters. The company would later evolve into Continental, now among the largest privately held U.S. oil producers.

For Hamm, Hart Energy’s 2025 Lifetime Achievement Award recipient, his success and fortune are largely attributed to his pioneering work in the development of the Bakken Shale play in North Dakota.

As he describes it to Oil and Gas Investor, the combination of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing unlocked commercial development of the middle Bakken bench starting in eastern Montana in the early- to mid-2000s.

The middle Bakken, at around 10,000 ft deep, is the Williston Basin’s most targeted bench. The first middle Bakken horizontal well, Burning Tree State 36-2H, came online in Montana on May 26, 2000, with an IP of 196 bbl from a 1,700-ft lateral.

Horizontal drilling and fracking gave new life to the Williston Basin. The Bakken play has produced over 6 Bbbl of oil, and the majority of it since 2000, according to North Dakota and Montana production data.

But while the shale industry sought the repeatability of manufacturing mode, Hamm and Continental kept exploring. Today, Continental holds assets across the Anadarko, Permian and Powder River basins, in addition to the Bakken.

The company’s knack for exploration is on display in the Permian, where Continental is a leader in testing the basin’s deeper Woodford and Barnett zones.

Most public U.S. producers and Wall Street analysts are averse to exploration today, Hamm argues. But as U.S. onshore oil basins mature, plateau and eventually decline, producers will need to search elsewhere.

“You never quit looking. You never quit exploring,” Hamm said.

In recent years, Hamm has flexed his muscles in U.S. politics. He ran point during the 2024 presidential election, drumming up oil and gas industry support and fundraising for President Donald Trump’s campaign.

Hart Energy was first to report Hamm’s top picks for key energy-related cabinet positions in the new administration: Liberty Energy CEO Chris Wright for energy secretary, and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum for secretary of the interior. Wright and Burgum were later both confirmed for their posts by the U.S. Senate.


Chris Mathews: You were a major donor and supporter of Donald Trump’s campaign. What have you made of the administration so far?

Harold Hamm: Trump has probably got more done in the first 100-and-some days than any other president that I’m aware of. And he certainly made a lot of changes to right the ship. The former Biden administration had run us over a cliff.

But I think he’s changed gears and moved on to handling some of what he felt like were unfair situations around the world, mainly tariffs. So, that’s taken a toll on the economy and wiped out most of the “Trump bump,” as most people were calling the new economics of the administration.

[Tariffs have] been moderating in some instances, and I’m not sure if there will be some exclusions. I hope energy is one of those. Some of these are really, really complicated situations that may be excluded.

But most of Trump’s policies have been popular with the public. Everybody knows that some of these things need correcting, like government overspending. It’s one thing to talk about it, and another thing to do it. That’s what’s going on with the DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) group right now. Depending on where you are in the whole scheme of things—if you’re one of the employees that was cut back like USAID—you’re probably not very happy about Elon Musk and what’s going on.

But certainly, that’s something I think every American knows we needed to correct. There’s a huge amount of inefficiency in the federal government. So, that’s being dealt with.

It took a while to get everybody in through the cabinet process, everybody that he selected. But as a result, we’ve got some really great people on board. For instance, what I call the dream team of energy, with Doug Burgum at Interior and Chris Wright at the Department of Energy. And the new organizational aspect of the National Energy Dominance Council (NEDC), which brings all of energy from every different department back into one place. Doug Burgum is heading that up as chairman of NEDC, which is a tremendous thing.

I think that a lot of great things have been accomplished by this president, and a lot more to go.

CM: What kinds of activities or projects might NEDC tackle? Burgum recently talked about building a Marcellus-to-New England gas pipeline.

HH: There are several things that they’ve looked at. You brought up the Constitution Pipeline. Everybody’s familiar with the history of that pipeline and what that’s been through as far as permitting.

Certainly, there needs to be federal permitting for pipelines in this country. That’s something that could be taken up by [NEDC], and I expect something to be done on that.

We’re seeing some really big things occur right now in a lot of different departments. The SEC (U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission), for instance, backing off of some of the emissions reporting things that they had in policy. It was a huge burden on the industry, but that’s been eliminated now. It was [EPA Administrator] Lee Zeldin and [the EPA] that took up the initiative there.

The biggest thing was the entire shift in mentality from one administration to the other. The last administration wanted to end all fossil fuel use. This administration said, “Oh no, you can’t do that. The world can’t afford that, it’s not realistic, it’s not common sense.”

We’ve got to continue the work for the betterment of the environment and the climate, but we need to do it in a sensible manner as we go forward. With the dawning of artificial intelligence (AI) and what it’s going to take to drive that and the energy to make it happen—we’re seeing a whole new world with the amount of demand that’s coming about as a result of AI.

The oil and gas industry is a very dynamic industry. There’s so much happening. You’re always on the cutting edge, you’re never far behind it. Just like it’s been proven with horizontal drilling, now that we’re talking about 25 years of shale development. What drove that?

That, too, was the cutting edge of technology; how we could do something entirely different, and it changed the world of energy. It’s a very dynamic industry. You don’t have to wait very long until the next thing comes about, if you’re willing to see it through.

CM: It’s a nice segue into this milestone: 25 years of horizontal development of the middle Bakken Shale. What interested you in the Burning Tree well and the Elm Coulee field?

HH: You really have to start earlier than that. T. Boone Pickens had made a statement that getting natural gas from shale was one thing, but getting oil from shale was quite another—and none of us would live to see that happen.

Like I said: This industry is very dynamic, and you never say never.

You need to back up to, really, the first-ever horizontal oil field and how that came about—the Cedar Creek Anticline and Cedar Hills Field. That began in the mid-’90s.

It was basically two companies, Burlington Resources and Continental Resources, that developed that entire field at Cedar Hills. It was a 250 MMbbl-recoverable field, but nobody else wanted to take that on. But that wasn’t the Bakken. It was the Red River B Formation.

[Red River B] was essentially developed with drilling and didn’t require stimulation. It had great porosity, just didn’t have any permeability. But once you connected all the perm with the horizontal wellbore, these wells were commercial. And it wasn’t commercial to drill verticals. It was really quite a phenomenal field.

But what it did was prove to me that the shallow, thin-bedded reservoirs—around 14 ft thick was the entire thickness of the bed … But it proved that, in those thin-bedded reservoirs, horizontal drilling worked.

We charged our geological team here and said, “Guys, go find the next one.” We know the Williston Basin has a lot of thin-bedded reservoirs. Where’s the next one? It wasn’t very long after that in 1996 that a geologist here at Continental mapped Elm Coulee.

He brought it in and said, “This zone in the Bakken, the middle Bakken zone, ought to produce in this area if drilled horizontally—but you may need stimulation of some kind.” We’d done high-pressure air injections to help with recovery.

We took the idea to Bobby Lyle (of Lyco Energy), my friend in Dallas, and Headington Oil. We said, “Y’all have this Mustang Field there. Let’s form a JV [joint venture] going in together to drill horizontally. We’d use high-pressure air injection and see if we can make it commercial.” We all scratched our heads and looked at each other but didn’t get an answer.

But each one of them put a plan together to go into Elm Coulee and start drilling some horizontal wells and testing them with different practices. Bobby did a JV with Halliburton, with Halliburton furnishing the services and providing some of the capital for a leasehold swap to go in and helped him. And he started drilling.

They drilled the Burning Tree well that everybody refers to. Headington was right in there, started watching Bobby and doing some of the same stuff. And Continental and Harold Hamm sitting over here watching them, saying, “You boys go for it.”

As soon as they got commercial production, we were all over it and started developing right in there with them. We wound up with about a third of the play, and each one of them did. Elm Coulee turned out to be a very nice field. I think something around 500 MMbbl-recoverable area, and wells are still being drilled in it.

Then, Continental quickly stepped over and started looking geologically into North Dakota and started around there in 2003. And the rest is kind of history. We proved that up in North Dakota.

CM: Did you ever expect North Dakota to turn into the powerhouse it ended up becoming?

HH: I had hopes for it, I sure did. We had enough hopes for it that, over the next five years, we leased up to 1.3 million acres that Continental held. So yeah, we did.

But the growth in North Dakota came on slower. The pressures were different. What worked in Elm Coulee, with some natural porosity in that middle Bakken, did not work very well in North Dakota.

A lot of experimentation, trial and error, had to go on before we got to multi-stage completions and hit with a big hammer on stimulation. All of that worked. We had to develop the technology, using swell packers and stuff like that. It kept getting better and better.

But you’re right: Initially, the single pipeline out of North Dakota handled 80,000 bbl/d, which wasn’t a lot. Of course, they had a refinery there, Mandan, which helped. But it was very limited on infrastructure and a whole lot of other things that had to be built out.

All that has been done now, and we saw production soar. And thank God, we’ve always had about 15% of the state’s production and still do.

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(Source: Rextag, Continental Resources)

CM: What will the Williston Basin’s future look like, between the Bakken and the deeper Three Forks benches?

HH: The Bakken kind of displaced exploration in a lot of ways for the past 25 years. The Bakken took a lot of concentration just on it, but we never quit looking. Some of the first core I ever looked at up there at the core library, we saw staining down in the Three Forks.

I wondered, how could that be down there? Where did that come from? It’s not a source bed. Of course, as the Bakken went through maturity, it put oil wherever it could go. Some of it leaked off up into Canada, for instance.

But somebody had to go and drill in it. So, we drilled a well down in the Three Forks and it proved to be separate somewhat from the Bakken. About a year later, everybody was drilling Three Forks. Now we see three to four benches of it that look productive.

So, you never quit looking. You never quit exploring. People need to turn their attention back to exploration up there again in the Williston.

But that takes different things and may take a change in policy. We’ve got a very high tax rate in North Dakota, when you look at 10%. That state’s got a huge sovereign fund that it’s built as a result of the production. I think that’s up to about $11 billion. So, it far exceeded their needs of financial funding in the state.

The future, as I see it, we’re still getting better. A lot of us have drilled those 4-mile wells. That’s worked well and will probably continue to improve. We’re making Tier 1 production out of what used to be Tier 3 in a lot of areas across the field. It is really hard to write off the Bakken when it keeps surprising you to the upside.

We’ve seen a lot of consolidation: Chord being formed out of a couple of companies. Conoco added Marathon’s production recently. We’ll probably see more of that as time goes on.

CM: Would Continental be interested in more Bakken M&A? Where else are you looking?

HH: Absolutely, the Bakken is one of our principal areas of focus and operation. We’ve got a great team that services that area.

But that’s not the only area. We still have the exploration mentality here at Continental. Our Anadarko footprint is very, very significant to the company and has been very meaningful. We’ve been the largest operator here in Oklahoma and the Midcontinent for an awful long time. We like the Anadarko Basin a whole lot.

We stepped into the Permian, led there by the geological team, and stepped into it in a pretty good way. We’ve got, I think, some 230,000 acres in the Permian, both in the Midland and Delaware basins. Of course, we made a fairly large acquisition from Scott Sheffield and Pioneer at one point, and it’s been meaningful to the company. We’re growing our base of production there.

You mentioned the Powder River Basin. We see that basin as a stacked pay basin, much like the Midcontinent Anadarko Basin. We’ve done a lot of drilling within several different benches and have a very large footprint. I think we’re one of the larger acreage holders there in the Powder River.

But you never quit looking. You mentioned Turkey. This play, we’ve watched for some time. Malone Mitchell, a friend of mine, has been in this play for 17 years and worked on it extensively. We’ve watched what he’s done.

We see some of the characteristics there that we’ve worked with in basins here in the U.S. So, we think some of the techniques that we’ve used here can work there, and it just hasn’t been applied.

The Turkish oil ministry is very familiar with what Continental has done here in the U.S. I think we could be helpful to them, and vice versa. So, we’re looking forward to our development there in Turkey.

CM: Do you think the future might look international for other U.S. shale companies?

HH: I think it’s beginning to. I think it’s good to see, at times, when we see maturity creeping in on the active basins here in the U.S. You need to look elsewhere, as well. I think EOG [Resources] exploring Bahrain is a good example. They have a history of exploration in their DNA.

Exploration is not a lost art, but it’s not like it was prior to the Bakken discovery and the manufacturing mode that a lot of people went into. Prior to that, exploration was something that every oil company had, practically.

There were a few people that were flippers and primarily just dealt with M&A. But most companies had a large degree of exploration and a lot of that has been lost. Continental is one of those companies where that’s very strong in our DNA.

CM: Natural gas is having a moment right now. What’s your outlook for U.S. gas?

HH: Yes, we have a lot of gas that we can turn on. You have to do it with an eye toward the market. Never get ahead of where the market is.

We’re involved in several things. Here in the Anadarko Basin, I think everybody’s aware of the joint venture we’ve had with SK [Energy] moving natural gas to South Korea for an awfully long time. That has every aspect of the business in it, from the drill bit through LNG to the final customer.

We continue to look. We haven’t been in the Haynesville big like some of the bigger pure-play gas players. If we had a reason, we just saw more intrinsic value in crude oil up to this point.

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